Den of angels help?

[DollyKim]

All we can do is fight them the best way we can by creating an open and welcoming forum here.

Thinking about it a lot of this sounds like cyber bullying, if you're like that on line I don't want to know what kind of person you are in real life. The best way to get "revenge" would be to abandon DOA all together. Network together to save the information you need form the data bases then let the crickets take over. Somewhere someone must have or want to do a data base without a chat board. I kind of would on my site if I could figure out how.

[victoriavictrix]

You know, it really sounds like the two things that keep DoA going are the MARKETPLACE (80%) and the Galleries (20%). All you would have to do to attract people would be to create a site with a Marketplace, Galleries and the ability to post WRITTEN stories as opposed to photostories and I think DoA might dry up and die.

[Geektopian]

I suspect that the e-mail blocks are placed against entire services. On one of the earlier versions of 13 Doll/ Dreamland, I had to block "@yahoo" addresses entirely because of the amount of spambots registering with those addresses.

[Resu]

DOA has also banned and ousted community members who made alternative sites, including mods and site owners for Resinality and Den of Demons.

I'm not sure where you got this information, but the site owner of Den of Demons is still on DoA and she's not banned. O_o

[roxygotmoxie]

Woah, where'd my last post go, lol? Here's the second try, with some updated content added...

I'm not sure where you got this information, but the site owner of Den of Demons is still on DoA and she's not banned. O_o

Nullcherri had an SN called "Sour." Ask what happened to it right after Den of Demons launched

You know, it really sounds like the two things that keep DoA going are the MARKETPLACE (80%) and the Galleries (20%). All you would have to do to attract people would be to create a site with a Marketplace, Galleries and the ability to post WRITTEN stories as opposed to photostories and I think DoA might dry up and die.

That's true. And then you just need a site that's active. Resinality has a good thing going on, but sadly, they aren't active enough (which might be because they don't allow American bjds and vinyl ones, which limits conversation.)

I agree in whole, and add on this: Nazi sympathies are aaaalright. But me mentioning in the background portion of the profile of the character my doll is based off of that he'd been abused in his childhood so he's not very trusting got me temp banned for two weeks.

Heaven forbid some po' child sees a doll with scars on it... that's way scarier than a doll dressed up as a genocidal psychopath.

What that mod did to you is horrible! The whole point of having a super-customizable doll is creating complex characters with it--- and dolls are just as diverse as the people who collect them. It's sad some people can't grasp that.

Besides, it's unrealistic to expect all dolls to be "perfect" and non-scarred. It's also offensive to expect disfigured dolls or people to "hide" their scarred bodyparts. Heck, perhaps if more people saw likable dolls (not just crude fap material) with scars/disfigurement, they'd be more tolerant of people with those. At my old school, facial scars/burns = free membership to the social leper club

If you posted the doll up here anyplace, PM me the gallery. If I saw it and forgot, my bad!

All we can do is fight them the best way we can by creating an open and welcoming forum here.

Thinking about it a lot of this sounds like cyber bullying, if you're like that on line I don't want to know what kind of person you are in real life. The best way to get "revenge" would be to abandon DOA all together. Network together to save the information you need form the data bases then let the crickets take over. Somewhere someone must have or want to do a data base without a chat board. I kind of would on my site if I could figure out how.

I agree! Although it isn't "revenge"... just common sense. Hobbies shouldn't make you feel like crap, and doll communities should be welcoming places.

It's understandable why many people don't want to leave Den of Angels, given that it has a content monopoly (tutorials, archived information, photo galleries, and marketplace items that can only be found on DOA.)

As long as this monopoly remains unchallenged, mods will continue taking users for granted--- and see no reason to reign in elitism or abusive moderation. After all, people "need" them, and these mods and forum owners do not have to fight for every single user to stay on the site--- users come to them, they don't have to work for it.

If smaller forums like Dollieh Sanctuary featured a more welcoming, active community--- and more exclusive content (tutorials, photosets, archived data etc that can only be found here), then attitudes will change. I'm not the only one bothered by DOA's modding and content monopoly.

I'm interested in creating more tutorials, and archiving info... I can help out. If you (or anyone else) is interested, please contact my AIM: roxygotmoxie

[Greyhaunt]

Ok, first off items found on DoA such as tutorials etc. are not exclusive them by any means. I have posted tutorials there that I have posted elsewhere. Many people link to their Deviant Art, Live Journal and other blogs with tutorials and no one there has a problem with it.

As for Resinality - since it has the exact same restrictions as DoA (who also ban most all american made BJDs or have you not noticed the lack of goodreaus, delilah noirs, etc...) and mostly the same members there doesn't seem to be a lot of point in going there. They don't offer anything different - at all.

There are craploads of scarred dolls on DoA and even tutorials on how to make them. I won't argue that there is a lack of logic in their post decisions, but by no means are they that anal.

There will be no discussion about the Japanese manga/doll cultural fascination with Nazi uniforms - while I run this forum with a light hand I have topics that I do not care to have discussed - that will be one of them. If you don't like it - feel free to take it up with me in a PM - you won't win.

Finally this forum is not and does not want to be as big as DoA, nor do I want to replace them. They serve a purpose, they obviously have plenty of happy members to still be going as strong as they are and given as this thread was started by someone wanting help to get on there, not as a bash DoA I think we've pretty much beaten this horse dead. We are not "fighting" DoA here - we are enjoying a place for fans of many types of dolls to discuss them. Please plot revolution elsewhere.

Remember - if you want an alternative to an existing forum, all you have to do is make one. Personally, I don't envy the owner/mods of DoA - it can't be fun anymore to run a forum that large.