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Re: Teh Suckz Thread

Postby cirquemom » Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:09 pm

kittyasauras wrote:I'm falling apart right now.

My dog is a master escape artist and she broke her chain and then proceeded to climb the fence/tree/however she gets out. I haven't seen her since Monday, we have been looking everywhere.
Last night my other dog attack my cat and killed her...terribly. During all of this one of my other cats disappeared. I don't know if he was a victim of this attack also, or if he escaped. I'm going to search again outside in daylight in the trees and bushes. I don't know what I'm going to do if I find him out there too.

So now I'm faced with what to do with the dog that killed my cat (and possibly the other too). Do I take her back to the shelter (we got her 5 years ago)? Do I just hope she doesn't do it again? What if she does do it again, or worse attack my son?

I'm shaking so bad, crying. I can't sleep at all. I went to bed after 5am and woke up before 10am. After loosing Spudd this year my heart cannot take all of this (I wouldn't be able to take it anyway). I'm not religious at all, and last night I prayed. I just...I can't take all this.

I am so so sorry. Both for the loss of your kitty in a horrible way and also because now you are faced with a difficult decision.
People say "dogs raised with love and affection will not become aggressive." Most of the time this is true, sadly, not always. Some dogs have this weird genetic switch that goes off and they literally go out of their minds with aggression.
We had two dogs- both very sweet and completely non-aggressive. In fact, one of them (a lab/golden retriever mix) was so mellow you could literally pull her ears or tail, stand on her, etc. and all she would do is wag her tail. We got another puppy, a male. He was very handsome, sweet and affectionate with us, and really smart. My youngest daughter was only about 8 at the time. He used to get a little aggressive with her, but we thought it was just "puppy behavior". One time at the vet, he did something and the vet tech smacked him and yelled "NO! DON'T DO THAT" at him, and told me to not let him get away with that because it was aggressive. All of my dogs (and cats) were neutered or spayed as early as possible, so they had all been fixed.
I didn't really worry about it much. He would kind of chase the other dogs away from the food dish, even though they were older and bigger than he was. Then one day when he was 8 months old, for some unknown reason he WENT OFF on one of the other dogs. He grabbed her by the throat and would not let go. I yelled, hit, kicked him, and sprayed him with the hose. He would not let go. My husband heard the yelling and came running. He also could not get him to turn the other dog loose. My husband is 6'2" tall and weighs over 230 pounds, and it is pretty much solid muscle. He had to punch the dog in the face twice, full strength, before the dog would let go. Our other dog ran under the deck to hide. The dog who had attacked (Max) pulled out of my husband's grasp, ran after her, and bit her around the neck again. He was determined to kill her. This was a dog he had been raised with since he was a puppy.
My husband caught him again and put the leash on him and tied him up around the back, away from the other dogs. Max stood there shivering. Gone was the aggressive monster and in his place was the loving, affectionate dog who was now completely upset and scared because he didn't know what had happened.
We immediately took him to the vet. We had two children here, and many kids visiting all the time. We simply could not take the risk of having a dog that might attack a child. Children have been KILLED by dogs- it happens far too often.
We asked the vet what to do. We asked if he would outgrow it, because he was only 8 months old. The vet told us that they get more aggressive as they get older.
We asked if we should try to find him a home out on a ranch somewhere. The vet said that he would be tied up and become more and more aggressive. He also said, "next time it might not be another dog. It might be a child, and you can't take that chance."
He told us, "The right decision is the hard one...." Meaning, he would leave it up to us, but his firm recommendation is that the dog be put to sleep. So we did. It was very hard to do- he was a beautiful, smart and loving dog, but he had a switch that went off in his head under certain circumstances and an evil monster would take over his body. He was completely out of control- it was not something the dog could help, but nor was it something he could stop.

From then on, whenever I hear that "with dogs it is nurture over nature, and how a dog acts is a reflection of how it is raised. A dog who is raised with love and affection will not be aggressive.." Sadly, that just is not so. There are unfortunately some dogs who just have inherited a bad gene. Max was raised with the same love and affection as our other dogs. We never hit our dogs, don't really yell at them, etc. So he should have been as sweet and non-aggressive as our other dogs. But he wasn't.

I can't tell you what to do, but I can tell you that once a dog has a taste for killing, it is almost impossible to stop them. As tragic as it was for you to loose your own cat this way- imagine if it had been a neighbor's cat. Or worse yet- what if one of these days your dog goes after a toddler?

Good luck- I've been where you are and it's very hard, but we are convinced that while it was very sad, we did the right thing by having the dog put down.
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Re: Teh Suckz Thread

Postby Greyhaunt » Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:58 pm

cirque - that puppy sounds just like my friend's cat. I bet if they did a necropsy they would have found something like a tumor that was the trigger, and there wouldn't have been much of anything anyone could have done :(
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Re: Teh Suckz Thread

Postby Greyhaunt » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:11 pm

Perla - obviously your friend has a reason for her behavior, but you'll never know unless you ask her. I would openly approach her and say "Hey, i feel like you've been giving me the cold shoulder suddenly and I don't know why. If I've done something wrong then please let me know so I can make it better. If it's not me, then please just give me a reason so I can understand." I'm not promising that what she says will be something you'll want to hear - high school is, unfortunately, a time where people aren't always as loyal to friends as they should be (in other words, been there, was burned more than once), but you will know and once you know you can either fix the problem and be friends, or begin the process of healing from the wound of losing a friend and finding another, better one.

Just remember that you will (whether you feel that way right now or not) find new friends in your life and you can never know when you will find one who will be your friend forever - so never let the problems with one make you feel like you'll never have another. The universe has a way of balancing things out for us :)
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Re: Teh Suckz Thread

Postby cirquemom » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:15 pm

Greyhaunt wrote:cirque - that puppy sounds just like my friend's cat. I bet if they did a necropsy they would have found something like a tumor that was the trigger, and there wouldn't have been much of anything anyone could have done :(


I think in his case it was genetic. We got him as a puppy from a local here, and when we told the humane society person about it, she said, "All of those dogs should be euthanized, the parents of those puppies are both unstable and very aggressive". Of course we just thought she was being overly cautious. After this happened, we found out that the father was known to be very aggressive and unpredictable, and just a mean dog in general who had bitten a number of people. So in this case I think it was a matter of being a bad strain of dog.
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Re: Teh Suckz Thread

Postby katana803 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:23 pm

kittty my heart breaks for you and your family. i know what it;s like to lose a loved furbaby. i can't even begin to imagine everything going through your head right now since the loss was caused by another loved animal. i agree with everyone else and would see the vet and seek advice there. i hope everything works out for you .

mirrim i'm sorry for your loss.
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Re: Teh Suckz Thread

Postby Lif » Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:29 am

PerlaNemisis, Just go and talk to her. She was (might still be) a friend. I think she will explain herself to you if you ask her in a way that she does not feel attacked by it about how shes acting.
I hope you two will get over this but if not you atleased can get on with your life and heal.
And given the fact that you need to make a presentation together I guess you NEED to talk. If not about feelings atleased about school! So better first get the bit about feelings out of the way and then come to an agreement of some sorts about school.
Good luck cause I can relate to how you must feel right now. Both on how shes acting towards you and the confusion it is causing for you and the having to talk to her about all this and not knowing how she will react or what could be wrong.


Omg so many stories of dogs/cats gone bezerk!
I had two dogs and one of them got very ill and very thin. We thought it was because of her being ill so we tried to nurtur her back to her normal weight again but she wouldn't put on any weight, not even a ouns. Even worse she stopped eating all together! And we couldn't find any way to get her back to eating (making the food wet, other food, food mixed with our food, nothing!)
So we went to the vet and after some tests it turned out her kitney's had sud down and there was nothing left to do :(
The kidneys might have always been bad and the medication from when she was ill may have caused them to shut down completely.
We took a week to say goodbey (and have my 4 year olds birthday... very bad timing for getting such devistating news about our puppy.. she wasn't a puppy anymore she was 5. But she still looked and acted like she was. And then had to let her go before she got any worse. But then again, is it ever a good time to get that kinda news?)
Anyway, the fact that I am telling about this is because my other dog was kinda in the back ground all the time the little one was here. She already is 8 now but when we got the other dog she somehow changed. She didn't come to us that much anymore for affection. She used to play a lot with tennis balls (by herself..silly thing, which was fun to watch) which she didn't do that much after we got the second dog. She started to look like an old dog who was tired all the time and didn't care much about what was going on around her. We let the vet check her out on a couple occasions but there was nothing fysically wrong with her.
But now...with the other dog gone, it looks like shes all there again! She looks so much happier and plays and comes to us for a pet or just to see what were doing.
In a way I feel terrible I got the other dog cause it somehow made her unhappy. At the same time I feel terrible the other dog seems happy the little one is dead/gone! Its a strange situation...
You never know WHY a dog acts like it does. They can't tell you. And they remain dogs and do things that we humans sometimes can't understand. When were an owner we have to do whats best for the dog. BUT when were a human and next to that parents or grand parents with occasional visits from grand kids. We HAVE TO do whats best for the kids/other humans. When we get a pet we think about the love and fun we will be having together with that animal. We don't think of those worlds coliding and spinning out of controle. But it can happens, sadly. And we have to take up responsebility as an owner. Even tho its thats very hard thing to do and all of your heart screams "NO!".
I especially feel sad for that 8 month old puppy which just happened to have bad parents :(
Another reason to only buy puppies when you have seen/know the parents.

Anyway, the suckz part for me at this moment in life; I'm in a dark place again with my thoughts and feelings. And I can't use that right now because I have a job interview on theusday for a job I really need to get. I am really having a hard time not hiding away from life right now. Just staying in bed and acting like I am in hibernation or something. Such bad timing to find myself in a downwards spiral again that I thought I had beat. Seems I only put it on hold for a couple of weeks to a month. (I usually get depressed in september/october thanks to things happening in the past). And my husband and kids do not seem to get the fact that I am in that spot again. Which makes it even harder.


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Re: Teh Suckz Thread

Postby DollyKim » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:51 am

There are bad strains of dogs who are aggressive, stupid, and other things that are inbred. A lot of it also falls on how the puppies were raised.

When we had to replace Blarney I realized just how good of a job I had done with my puppies. Mine didn't bite people, we have videos of me correcting them by saying "ouch" in a mean voice, mine didn't jump on people. By a month old I was teaching them to sit, catch the puppy sitting and pet them and say "good sit" or good what ever it is you like. They caught on that if they sat when they came to me they'd get attention first. You have to touch them and love them from birth. The only complaints from Guinness and Tater's people is they get too excited when they play and might knock in to people, like their mom did. It's all fixable with obedience class.
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Re: Teh Suckz Thread

Postby SugarCorpse » Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:02 am

small sucks, but i got dry socket in my two bottom wisdom teeth holes. i caught it soon enough that it didn't hurt much or for very long. D= he said some people who get it have to take painkillers constantly and it's worse then the pain of the actual removal. :o i feel lucky i noticed it was starting when i did x.x

what sucks though is the things they stuck in the holes were soaked in some super strong medicine.... x_x icky. and my mouth tasted like i was chewing on potpourri for 4 hours yesterday... and now it tastes like very strong tea and will until monday when they take them out.... but they might have to replace them DX and i might have to go every day to get them refreshed if this time isnt enough to fix it....
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Re: Teh Suckz Thread

Postby cirquemom » Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:28 am

OMG-that is not a SMALL sucks, that is major. A dry socket is supposed to be the most painful dental condition you can have. I had one and it was horrible. I had to go in every day and get it "packed" yikes, for about five days until the skin grew over the nerve. The medicine they pack it with is clove oil (which is why you are thinking of potpourri). I was driving a school bus for a preschool at the time and couldn't take any pain meds.
My suggestion: TAKE TIME OFF AND TAKE THE PAIN MEDS until the skin grows back. It is basically a scab covering the nerve that breaks loose and comes off, exposing the nerve to air. Very painful. You have to wait until the new skin grows over the nerve and covers it before the pain stops. So don't be stupid like I was ("oh, I can't take time off of work!"), stay home, and take pain meds.
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Re: Teh Suckz Thread

Postby SetsunaKou » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:15 pm

Oh my, yes! What cirquemom-san says is absolutely right! I also had dry socket and it was horrible. I could NOT open my mouth at all. I had some weird side effect reaction from it that wouldn't allow my mouth/jaw to work! I couldn't talk or eat. My jaw was just stuck shut. I could barely open it enough to even take the antibiotics and medicines! The dentist felt so sorry for me and the assistants were all hugging and crying with me---I was so pitiful.

It took about a week to even start to heal and let me open my mouth, and by that time, I had lost 10 or 15 pounds and was really sickly because all I could take in was broth since my mouth wouldn't open. I was in bed the whole time and sleeping, sleeping, sleeping with the painkillers. Otherwise, I couldn't have taken the pain at all.

I've had a lot of dental problems and while those were all painful or aching and nothing to sneeze at, dry socket is the worst pain I've ever felt or ever hope to feel. I was crying and crying for the first few days of it.

Please take care of yourself SugarCorpse-san!! :hugs: I'll be praying for you!
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