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Postby zirconmermaid » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:29 pm

I am heartbroken about the loss of so much artwork and history.
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Re: Notre Dame

Postby ShortNCuddlyAm » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:26 pm

Apparently the main structure has been saved. And they removed a lot (or all) of the statues a few days ago as part of the renovations. It doesn't look quite as horrible as it first seemed. Still tragic though :(
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Re: Notre Dame

Postby kenaiqueen » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:54 pm

I hope they haven't lost all the beautiful stained glass windows. They would be irreplaceable.
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Re: Notre Dame

Postby Greyhaunt » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:16 pm

The structure, meaning the support walls and the bell towers were saved. The inside is heavily damaged and last I saw all the stained glass windows are gone.

While statuary were saved due to the renovations, items such as relics may have been destroyed. This was an utterly devastating event. Even if they rebuild, it will never be the same.
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Re: Notre Dame

Postby davidd » Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:37 pm

Devastating is the word for this! So much history! So much beauty! So much architectural significance and artistry, in addition to the significance to the Church.

I don't understand how a "small fire" could have been allowed to grow to such proportions so quickly. I could not believe what I was hearing when I switched on the radio earlier today.

Several hours ago I had read that one of the three iconic "rose windows" had survived, but more recent reports suggest that is no longer the case.

All the bold talk about "rebuilding" is a lot of nonsense. You cannot rebuild 900 years of history. You cannot rebuild things for which the techniques are forgotten or lost. You cannot rebuild something like this when the first words anyone utters is about the cost.

This is a tragic loss to the history and culture of the world.
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Re: Notre Dame

Postby Greyhaunt » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:13 pm

They can never rebuild it to be the same, but I think they will try and should. It is too much of an iconic structure to be allowed to die like this.

As for the fire spreading fast - so much of the interior and the roof were wooden. It was, in many ways, a disaster waiting to happen. Old - probably ancient - dry wood, who knows what sort of coatings or substances have been put on it over the centuries...no, I'm not surprised at how fast it spread, I just hope there was time to remove anything they could. And thankful there seems to not have been any human loss.

I'm not catholic myself, but if there is a legitimate fund raising effort I will contribute to try and bring it back.
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Re: Notre Dame

Postby victoriavictrix » Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:33 am

The fire started in the roof, 13,000 old growth oaks culled in the 1200s were used to make the roof. The wood was all dry as tinder.
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Re: Notre Dame

Postby Stormlight » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:06 am

In a modern house a small fire can spread to a raging inferno in five minutes. In an ancient building like that...? It's amazing that they were able to salvage anything and that no human lives were lost.
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Re: Notre Dame

Postby DollyKim » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:33 am

From what I heard the relics were saved as were some other objects that could be removed. The roof top statues had been removed a few days ago for restoration.

Having taken art history rebuilding and repairing cathedrals when something happens to them is part of their history. In the words of French poets- harder, better, faster, stronger.
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Re: Notre Dame

Postby ShortNCuddlyAm » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:51 am

Saw this from someone involved in the restoration earlier (Source: NY Times, can't find the article link again):
Baumgartner and a colleague, Alexandre Decaillot, had spent a week working at the cathedral, removing copper statues for restoration offsite. “I’m completely nauseated,” Baumgartner told me. He added, of the effort to restore the cathedral, “In wanting to give her a second youth, we have perhaps destroyed her.”


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