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Non-Toxic Substitute for MSC

PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 7:27 pm
by SoapBubbles
First of all, I will apologize beforehand if you have already heard of this and ended up looking at this picture-filled and wordy post. I haven't seen it before, and I get wordy when I'm excited. And believe me, I was really excited to find this after searching 2 and 1/2 months for Mr. Super Clear (unsuccessfully). :oops: The official liquitex website to find out more about this product can be found [HERE]! Note: There IS a "tl;dr" at the end so feel free to just scroll down until the end.

*AHEM* Anyway, I happened to come across this new product in my local art store:
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It comes in 3 different kinds: Satin, Matte, and Gloss. I chose to test out the 'Matte' because I didn't really fancy having a shiny dollieh face.
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This is a close-up of the label:
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"Water-based"? "Contains UV protection"? Ooh, sounds promising. And although it doesn't say so on this label or the liquitex website, the website for the art store I went to said that it's non-toxic. I just had to try it out. By the way, I spent around $15 for this. It does say "non-removable" and "permanent" but... Eeeh, that's why I decided to test it first. ;)
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Now obviously I wouldn't want to ruin my poor dolls with a new product like this. Therefore, I took Neil's headcap and decided to test it there instead. This is how it looks when the spray is still wet:
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After about 10~15 minutes, it becomes completely dry. It's VERY easy to tell because it becomes like this:
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You can no longer see my ceiling lights get reflected off of Neil's bald head. :lol:
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I put on 3 coats (since that's the amount I plan on putting on before doing any face-ups) and applied some "dollieh make-up" on top.
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What I wanted to test here: 1. How well pastel would apply on top of the coat. 2. That the coat won't scratch off from drawing with watercolor pencils.
Result: 1. Pastel works really well on this! The pigments stick right on it and comes out clearly. 2. Didn't scratch from the watercolor pencil, yay!
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I applied a final coat on top and waited for it to dry. As you can see, I decided to test out one more shade of acrylic paint. :lol: Now I conducted another important test: leaving the headcap under running water. Why? Obviously I want to be able to touch and/or wash my doll without having to re-do a face-up every time I did a bit of maintenance. This is how it looked AFTER I put the headcap under running water (FULL POWER! :twisted: ):
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:mrgreen: None of the "face-up" came off at all!
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Now the final and most important test (at least for me): Can I remove it? The answer is: YES!
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Just so you know, I've never used MSC before myself so I don't know how hard it is to take that off, but I can say this: cleaning this headcap was effortless. I used the "Winsor & Newton Brush Cleaner", and the entire thing just came off with barely any effort on my part. As you can see, the headcap is completely spotless and back to normal.
Note: The lighting in my bathroom is different, that's why the headcap looks like a different shade. No dollieh caps were damaged during the photography of this review-like post. ;)

tl;dr
The "Liquitex Professional Spray Varnish" worked like a charm! It's water-based, non-toxic, has UV protection, and is easy to clean and apply. I think this is definitely a nice alternative to the famous Mr. Super Clear (which I cannot find in my region), and I'm going to use this for my first face-up soon. :mrgreen:


EDIT2: AAAH! Sorry! In my excitement I didn't realize that I put this in the wrong section! Really sorry, please move it if necessary... T_T ---> Oh, nevermind. Guess it's fine here. :)

EDIT3: So yarwel has brought the safety sheet to my attention and I've taken a look at it. Basically if I summarize the safety warning, it seems that while the chemicals used to make the product are irritants (not toxic on their own), a by-product (formaldehyde) is present in the spray which is toxic if inhaled or with skin contact. Personal protective equipment is still recommended.

Re: Non-Toxic Substitute for MSC

PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 4:57 am
by zirconmermaid
It works fine in this section. It's always good to see people testing alternatives!

Re: Non-Toxic Substitute for MSC

PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:05 am
by yarwel
I found the safety sheet online, and it looks to me like it's still pretty toxic. I'm thinking using a respirator is probably still recommended, but maybe one of our more experienced members can tell us otherwise.
http://www.liquitex.com/uploadedFiles/Content/Resources/Safety/MSDS_Sheets/04413292.pdf

Re: Non-Toxic Substitute for MSC

PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 2:31 pm
by SoapBubbles
zirconmermaid wrote:It works fine in this section. It's always good to see people testing alternatives!

Yay, I'm glad it wasn't in the wrong section after all. :D Thank you.

yarwel wrote:I found the safety sheet online, and it looks to me like it's still pretty toxic. I'm thinking using a respirator is probably still recommended, but maybe one of our more experienced members can tell us otherwise.
http://www.liquitex.com/uploadedFiles/Content/Resources/Safety/MSDS_Sheets/04413292.pdf

Yup, so I used it with a N95 level mask and gloves. :) I think pretty much anything that comes in a spray can tends to be bad for our lungs (toxic or not) so I always wear protective equipment when using them.

EDIT: I forgot to thank you for posting the sheet up: thank you! :lol: I got a little concerned about if I was sending out the wrong message to people about it being non-toxic so I read through the entire sheet with care. Turns out that it really is quite safe. Most of the chemicals are just 'harmful' or 'irritating' if inhaled and are generally <1% (the highest being 1-5%). The one toxic chemical in there is formadehyde, and it's also <1% of the contents. I still think you're right, it's good to be careful and use a respirator, but knowing the product is also not that toxic helps put me at ease. :3

Re: Non-Toxic Substitute for MSC

PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:31 pm
by maywong
This sounds promising. Thanks for the info.

Re: Non-Toxic Substitute for MSC

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 5:36 am
by SoapBubbles
maywong wrote:This sounds promising. Thanks for the info.

No problem. :)

Re: Non-Toxic Substitute for MSC

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 7:50 pm
by K2!
When they say non-toxic, they mean non-toxic when dry.
A particle mask (your N95) will be absolutely no good against formaldehyde. You need to be wearing a respirator with an organic vapor cartridge that specifically lists formaldehyde as one of the things that it absorbs.

Re: Non-Toxic Substitute for MSC

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 10:27 pm
by SoapBubbles
K2! wrote:When they say non-toxic, they mean non-toxic when dry.
A particle mask (your N95) will be absolutely no good against formaldehyde. You need to be wearing a respirator with an organic vapor cartridge that specifically lists formaldehyde as one of the things that it absorbs.

Oops, thank you for telling me. :) I'll get the proper respirator for use in the future.

Re: Non-Toxic Substitute for MSC

PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 9:32 am
by Yanagi-sen
Also with art supplies, 'non-toxic' means skin contact... not ingested. And the difference is one rat. Seriously, I took a workshop with a woman who literally wrote the book on art supply toxicity. They feed 5 grams of a substance to 10 rats, if only 4 die, it's non-toxic, if 5 die it's toxic. They never retest for repeat exposure or check back in a month... given this test, asbestos passes every time. How scary is that?

If anyone is interested, here is the book: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/listing/2 ... 4488708955

I came home from that workshop... and totally changed several of the projects I did with my students.

As for the MSC... since I don't do a lot of face ups, I don't personally use a respirator. I go outside and spray on the porch, holding my breath, and then go back inside. By the time I'm back up in my loft, it's dry and I can move onto the next layer.

Re: Non-Toxic Substitute for MSC

PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 10:02 am
by knittnkitten
and this is why my mom's current freak out is about me an art supplies that might cause toxicity damage down the line. *sighs*