The joints on the big Obitsus

[Evelien]

.. How do they work? Are they ball jointed and connected by elastic thread, just like resin BJDs, or do the joints work like they do on the smaller 1/6 Obitsu dolls..? I'm dying to know

-edit- Woops. Found the info I wanted here:
http://www.acrylic-eyes.com/?cat=4
Sorries..!

[Misheru]

No worries! Be advised (if you haven't already found the info) that there are two types of joints on the 60cm Obitsus (ball joint and slide joint). Neither are strung (no Obitsus that I am are of are strung - all have a skeleton). It is a matter of preference as to which type collectors like. We have both in our family.

On a side note - Volks Dollfie Dreams - the original DD1 bodies were strung, but all new bodies (DD2, DDdy, DDS) also all have skeletons instead.

[Evelien]

Oh, that's good to know! Thank you!
I'm probably buying a second hand 60cm Gretel this week, not even sure which body type she is haha.. I'm sure I've seen the info somewhere though.. I'll check it out.

[TheHighlander]

60CM Obitsu? My favorite dollieh...

Regarding joints. I'm going to refer to an image that Parabox has. I will provide a link, but not post the image, so you will have to click on it to see the image....

60cm Obitsu Body/Joint types

Going from left to right in this picture there are 4 combinations that illustrate pretty much all possible choices with obitsu.

1) 3-piece 'normal body'. This body is three pieces of rigid vinyl that uses the same internal skeleton as the others. the joints on this one are the ones that Misheru called 'sliding joint' because the joint pivots in two places and has a knee-cap or elbow piece that effectively covers the joint when it flexes.

2) 2 piece soft body with sliding joints. In terms of the internal skeleton, jointing, arm and leg vinyl, this is the same as (1) however, the abdomen is now a single piece made from a flexible vinyl that bends and flexes as the skeleton moves. the skeleton itself can move at the waist and just below the breast bone. So this flexible abdomen enhances the doll over and above the 3pice hard body. The joints are the same sliding joints as before. You can also make this doll using the hard bust piece (as shown in the picture, or you can use a soft bust piece designed to fit the soft abdomen. At Parabox this is known as the Soft Body A.

3) This is the standard ball-joint body. the abdomen and chest are both made of soft vinyl. the internal skeleton of the body is the same as the others, but the joints and limbs are different. the leg and arm vinyl of the ball joint dolls is not interchangeable with the leg/arm vinyl on the sliding joint bodies. The joint construction is quite different which means that the vinyl itself is shaped differently to accommodate the ball joint instead of the sliding joint mechanism. These joints look more natural when flexed when compared to the sliding joints. They can also handle considerable range via a special slide mechanism that allows one part of the joint to slide out of the other (almost dislocating) for extreme range of motion.

4) this final example is a hybrid of the slimline body normally sold with the ball jointed limbs and the slightly larger limbs of the sliding joint mechanism. The internal skeleton of the body remains the same across all of the versions with only the limbs and their joints changing.

You can create other combinations, such as the soft body A abdomen, with a larger bust piece on a body using the ball-joints. Aesthetically I prefer the look of the ball joints, but the sliding joints have their charm too, and once your lady is dressed and her personality has solidified it won't matter what kind of joints she has, you generally won't see them anyway.

Here is a page from parabox with some more comparisons of the jointing and body styles.

http://parabox.jp/obitsu/60-4shu.html

and here is another picture showing the internal skeleton (including limbs) of the sliding joints vs the ball joints.

Sliding vs ball joints.

I have several ladies using the standard slim ball-joint body, I have one lady who uses the sliding joints and has a soft abdomen and large (parabox) optional bust, and another lady who uses the ball-joints but uses the soft abdomen and a larger bust piece. I've found that the larger bust pieces are generally a better size match for the soft body abdomen rather than the slim abdomen that comes with the ball joint bodies.

[Evelien]

Ooh, the doll I'm buying is obviously type no. 3, is that good? ^^

Lol, I never thought I'd want a 1/3 scale doll... I was having doubts about getting into 1/4 lol, what am I getting myself into, the 60cm is HUGE XD

[TheHighlander]

Ooh, the doll I'm buying is obviously type no. 3, is that good? ^^

Lol, I never thought I'd want a 1/3 scale doll... I was having doubts about getting into 1/4 lol, what am I getting myself into, the 60cm is HUGE XD

Ooh, the doll I'm buying is obviously type no. 3, is that good? ^^

Lol, I never thought I'd want a 1/3 scale doll... I was having doubts about getting into 1/4 lol, what am I getting myself into, the 60cm is HUGE XD

Oh yeah, they're all good, but I have found I really like that base body type (no. 3). They have awesome legs that look ridiculous (in a very good way) in anything sheer, their bust is just enough that unless they wear something that swallows them, they have a clearly defined bustline. Plus, they are very slim. When I say they are slim, I am really referring to their waist, they have a bigger booty than the soft body type, despite a much slimmer waistline. I have to confess, one of mine (Midori) is wearing a miniskirt and knit cardigan combination that was originally made for a MSD sized doll. The skirt is impractically short, even i will admit, but she's wearing sheer thigh highs and it looks too good to change. She has a properly sized shirt on under the cardigan, but the cardi is knit, and despite being small it fits. It looks killer on her - I'll try to post a picture later tonight.

One thing that takes you quite by surprise with the larger dolls is that they are large enough that when you pick them up, and hold them, they no longer feel like toys or dolls, there is a 'realness' to them that goes beyond that. I tend to cradle mine as if they were a pet, when I carry them around the house. Or you can lay them against your shoulder and carry them much like you might with a smaller cat, and again it feels oddly 'real'. I don't know how to describe exactly what I mean, but I think you will find that you become easily attached to your doll, partly because of her scale. They're not quite pets, and despite the tendency for Japanese collectors to call them daughters, they're not surrogate children. They're something in between and yet somehow less and more at the same time.

Yes, I do like my dolliehs a lot. Actually, I like my dolliehs more than I like a lot of people I know in real life.

[K2!]

I would go on to say there are three joint types.
The 47/55/60cm bodies have either the the double hinge/sliding joint or the ball joint, as the Highlander points out.

But the newer 40/48/50cm bodies have a double pivot, encased in an elongated ball structure, sort of a hybrid of the two. As one might expect, this type of joint bends farther than the ball joint type, but not as far as the double hinge/sliding joint type, however it is an attractive compromise between visual aesthetics of the ball joint and functionality of the double/sliding joint.

All the Obitsus 1/3 scale dolls (40, 47, 48, 50, 55, and 60cm models) have the same ball type joints at the ankles, hips, shoulders, and wrists. The differences we're sighting are the knees and elbows.

[TheHighlander]

I would go on to say there are three joint types.
The 47/55/60cm bodies have either the the double hinge/sliding joint or the ball joint, as the Highlander points out.

But the newer 40/48/50cm bodies have a double pivot, encased in an elongated ball structure, sort of a hybrid of the two. As one might expect, this type of joint bends farther than the ball joint type, but not as far as the double hinge/sliding joint type, however it is an attractive compromise between visual aesthetics of the ball joint and functionality of the double/sliding joint.

All the Obitsus 1/3 scale dolls (40, 47, 48, 50, 55, and 60cm models) have the same ball type joints at the ankles, hips, shoulders, and wrists. The differences we're sighting are the knees and elbows.

Indeed. I neglected to mention the 50cms...I like those 'peanut' joints...

Actually, they are much more attractive than the hinged/sliding joints and nearly as flexible. I have been hoping that Mr Obitsu would decide to upscale them to the 60cm size, not yet though. Then again, I'm also still waiting on a high heel foot option...

[TheHighlander]

As promised some pictures of Midori.

As you can see, she's proud of her assets.







The first picture isn't in great focus, sorry, these were cellphone pictures.

[Evelien]

Wowzaah, she's working it indeed!! ^^