Please, hobby, stop this "racial aesthetic" nonsense.

[Lily]

...Um, considering the fact that the main contention of this DoA "asian aesthetics" thing is because that's what they use for judging which doll is on-topic or off-topic...I kinda assumed that's a given...?

No? In my recollection, most of the off-topic dolls have been Korean. There has been discussion about the differential attitudes towards Chinese dolls and inherent Sinophobia, but that's not really answered by talking about on-topic/off-topic.

So what if they're American and European? Just because they're not asians, they can't have an opinion about what asians are like?

Not about what Asians are like. About what Asian people create that is somehow magically "Asian enough" by Western standards. And it has nothing to do with liking or disliking a doll. Again... if you are seriously still not getting what I am trying to say, I don't know how to break it down any further, so just put it down to a failure in my communication.

And especially it's used as a cover for Sinophobia. Because my heavens, is Sinophobia tolerated and even encouraged in this hobby.

I don't believe DoA is out encouraging hatred towards Chinese people Just because they dislike certain Chinese doll sculpts...
That wasn't aimed at DoA in any case, but in the fandom as a whole. The fandom tends to perpetuate certain stereotypes about Chinese people and their works being cheap/degraded/inferior, which is pretty much textbook Sinophobia. I'm not the first person to recognise this as a problem in the hobby, nor will I be the last.

I find it really triggering that "aesthetics" is used in this hobby to mean either exactly what the user wants it to, or nothing and all and b) the extent in which the word is used a a cover for racist generalisations.

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It's really the racial privilege being shown in this hobby which annoys me. But I also love language, and I hate seeing words used to obscure rather than enlighten.

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None of those are actually examples of me saying that not liking a doll I like is racist. Seriously... what dolls I like, or what dolls other people like, is completely beside the point of my problems with the whole concept of defining racial aesthetics, which was always the point, not my personal preferences.

I really am done here. Because this is feeling circular and pointless, and I don't mind debating actual points I've made, but I find debating points I haven't made kind of exhausting. Maybe I'm just fatigued and ill and not communicating properly, but this is really getting nowhere.

[GooglyDooglyV.2]

Googly. Drop it already. No-one has said a friggin word about hating dolls because they're Chinese. You're the one that started that. You're also the one that came in here with an aggressive tone. Enough already, or GH is going to lock the thread.

And especially it's used as a cover for Sinophobia. Because my heavens, is Sinophobia tolerated and even encouraged in this hobby.

Sinophobia: Sinophobia or anti-Chinese sentiment is the fear of or dislike of China, its people, overseas Chinese, or Chinese Culture.
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Well I apologized for having such an aggressive tone. Didn't mean to barge in on your DoA hate pow-wow here.

[GooglyDooglyV.2]

None of those are actually examples of me saying that not liking a doll I like is racist. Seriously... what dolls I like, or what dolls other people like, is completely beside the point of my problems with the whole concept of defining racial aesthetics, which was always the point, not my personal preferences.

I really am done here. Because this is feeling circular and pointless, and I don't mind debating actual points I've made, but I find debating points I haven't made kind of exhausting. Maybe I'm just fatigued and ill and not communicating properly, but this is really getting nowhere.

Next time you accuse people of encouraging sinophobia in this hobby, please back it up. because really, claiming such a horrible thing like hatred towards one race of people is really really bad.

[Lily]

Ha, the more real, the more skilled the artist!

My wife got a bit freaked out when she opened a drawer and I'd left one in there, I must admit.

I probably would too!

*grin* It was probably worse in that it was a closed-eye kit...

But back to the actual topic of this thread... I feel so awful for Angelsdoll, yanno? Gia is a lovely sculpt, just like Ieseul, though I do think she'd look better on the massive body, what with that strong jaw and cheekbones. I hope they don't go redesigning the slim body again; it's really quite pretty, and that wasn't ruled OT.

One thing I have learned to accept with Angelsdoll is that anything is due cause for a redesign.

[kittyasauras]

ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmg no more drama. We need a mod stat! xD

[Alopecia No Hime]

Alright this thread was dyin'...WHO NECROBUMPED IT!?

Cause this thread is one big headache.

[Greyhaunt]

My apologies for not locking this train-wreck a lot earlier when it started to go south - for some strange reason I thought I'd allow the person I was addressing to reply to me and end it, but instead it ended up getting even worse.

Let's face it folks - if this sort of thing continues to happen I'm going to have to put my foot down about people starting threads that are complaints about some aspect of the hobby or another and ban them altogether. I like intelligent discussions, but when they devolve into this sort of thing it gets old and I'm tired of having to lock threads because they turn into arguments about another forum entirely.