SD 1/3, SD13/16/17, 70cm . . . HUH?!?!

[Kirahfaye]

Okay, I know I'm still quite new to the whole BJD thing, but I have to admit - all the different sizes are confusing the hell out of my little brain. Not only are there the sizes in the topic title, but people throw out model names as if they are themselves measurements. How the heck do I know what size a MiniFee or a Delf boy or a Super Gem represents? Worse, why would people use such vague references when trying to sell stuff - especially clothing? Am I expected to keep a cheat-sheet on hand to verify what doll measurements match my doll(s)? Is there a doll size database somewhere that doesn't require a Master's in data management to understand?

Helpz . . . .

[K2!]

Okay, I know I'm still quite new to the whole BJD thing, but I have to admit - all the different sizes are confusing the hell out of my little brain.

Those are the names of doll models (body types) from various manufacturers.

Not only are there the sizes in the topic title, but people throw out model names as if they are themselves measurements. How the heck do I know what size a MiniFee or a Delf boy or a Super Gem represents?

Well you go buy one. Doesn't every one have a Super Delf Mini?

Worse, why would people use such vague references when trying to sell stuff - especially clothing?

It's easier to just state what doll you made it for rather than listing a few measurements.

Am I expected to keep a cheat-sheet on hand to verify what doll measurements match my doll(s)?

Yeah, if you really want that dress.

Is there a doll size database somewhere that doesn't require a Master's in data management to understand?

Nope.

Helpz . . . .

When people sell stuff that "fits Super Delf Mini" (whatever) that means they made the outfit sized to fit their Super Delf Mini. They mostly don't care what other doll the clothes might fit. It's up to the potential purchaser to find out if it fits the doll they have. Sometimes they may add a measurement or two, but it's usually up to the purchaser to determine the suitability of the article of clothing.

Yeah, kinda makes it hard to buy stuff sometimes.

If I'm shopping at say...ebay, I wait till I see something I really, really like. Then I do some research on the dolls they say it fits. When they only say something vague like, "fits most SD dolls", I look carefully at the outfit. Since I know my Obitsus are generally smaller than "most SD dolls", I look to see if the outfit can be altered smaller without too much trouble (cuz I ain't got da needle skills). Yeah, it's taken years and a few mistakes (not as many as shoes-grrrrr) to figure out. Still working on it.

[Dark Angel]

SD = Super Dollfie (aka the big ones)
70cm= the doll is 70centimeters tall
MSD= Mini Super Dollfie (aka the medium sized ones)
YO-SD= The smaller dolls.

DELF, or Super Gem those are company specific names. Usually the height and whatnot is at the bottom of the page that the doll is being sold on.

And as K2 says, when buying outfits that "fit most SD's" you have to be prepared for some disappointment because not all things will work. It's best to ask the owner/creator of the piece what it fits, and if they have the doll you have. If they don't check the measurements of the doll they do have (from the company website) and then check your own doll's measurements.

And there is a thread on DoA that has some meanings
http://www.denofangels.com/forums/showt ... ings-Guide

Hope this helps

[victoriavictrix]

SD = roughly 60 cm. This in reality actually means from 58 to 63. So if your doll isn't the one they fitted it on (and I always SAY in my listings that it's on a DZ Orlando) you need to see if it's been made in a "Forgving" fashion. For instance, tops with corset lacing are good because you can lace it tight or loose. Stretch fabrics, also good, drawstrings, elastic waists. As are snaps or hook and eye that can be moved.

THE EXCEPTION: Obitsu 60 cm, aren't. And nothing fits them without being a mile too big unless it was fitted to them.

SD13 is a young teen, with young teen proportions, and the dolls are in the 60 cm range.
SD16 and 17 are young adults, with those proportions, and are in the 60 cm range.

MSD = roughly 45 cm, but again they can range from 42 to 46 And again, the Obitsu MSD...doesn't fit standard.

Yo-SD = is specifically the child/toddler 27 cm size, with a range from 23-28. Chubby bodies, childlike proportions. This is to differ it from other tinies which can have mature, or just slim, proportions.

[Kirahfaye]

K2 - you crack me up!

SD13 is a young teen, with young teen proportions, and the dolls are in the 60 cm range.
SD16 and 17 are young adults, with those proportions, and are in the 60 cm range.

That's the first time I've seen those descriptions and now it makes more sense. I remember asking someone on Ebay if the SD(whatever size it was) was a 1/3 or 1/4 and she came back to me and said she didn't know what a 1/3 or 1/4 was . . . .

And I see that people (including myself) tend to mix YO-SD with 1/6th and 27cm. Am I correct that 1/6 should be reserved for Obitsu/Volks/fashion doll types while 27cm should be more for the non-YOSD (like PlanetDoll minis and BBBs)?

[DollyKim]

I adopted the term "littles" for the 1/6 scale dolls that are plastic, not strung or in general could be considered a ball joint doll. Some have resin heads but there's no way they could be mistaken for a small scale ball joint like a tiny baby. It's an umbrella term for the 1/6 Obitsu and Volks, fashion dolls like Barbies, and the custom dolls like the Dragon and BBI.

I could get picky and say 'no Blythe all dolls must have realistic proportions' but there's no point. The general idea is they stand around 12"-30cm give or take a bit, smaller ones represent their children or shorter adults. Something like a Dawn doll or other 6" dollhouse dolls are more 1/12. the 8" 'Mego' size are sort of inbetween. I've got all sorts, they're all welcome to the party.

Best I can do at the moment is offer a picture like this. ~swats typo fairy changing the tiny size~

[victoriavictrix]

TECHNICALLY the only doll that can be referred to with the SD, MSD and Yo-SD connotations are Volks, since it stands for "SuperDollfie", "MiniSuperDollfie" and "Yo-SuperDollfie". Nitpickers and elitists would say that anything else should be 1/3, 1/4 and 1/6. The Volks original Dollfie was pretty much exactly like an Obitsu 1/6 in size and construction, hence, when they scaled up for DD (Dollfie Dream) and Resin they went with the "Super" prefix.

Since these dolls are supposed to be 1/3, 1/4 and 1/6 scale to a human, there can obviously be a lot of variation in size, since humans can go from ballet dancers to basketball players.

There are also some oddball dolls like the Batchix Machina that are technically 1/4 but much more slender than the commoner 1/4 dolls.

Ellowyn Wilde, Delilah Noir and Minifee are all also much more slender with smaller heads than the standard 1/4; most MSD take a 7 wig, these take a 6. I have Delilah Noir and I can use her as a mannequin for Minifee.

[Patrice]

I find it best referring to their actual height. I've got all SD's or 1/3 scale but they range in height from my 52cm Zaoll to my 70cm EID's. They all are in scale to each other but there is a lot of height variation like real people as vicotriavictrix says. There is also a lot of variation in body type as well which is one of the things I really love about BJD's.

[Kirahfaye]

Yep, all the variations are enough to make my head spin - haha! And I seem to gravitate to the slightly off the norm sizes - 42cm BBBs, 58cm AoDs, CH YO-SDs, PlanetDoll 27cm minis . . . each one either slightly smaller or slimmer than the norm.

[Greyhaunt]

In terms of here in the Sanctuary - I tried to stick with categories that are similar to the old 13doll, and Junkyspot. And I also tried to include in the category description some commonly known doll brand names to help folks figure what goes where. I feel your pain though because like most folks new to these things I had the same confusion. I started to sew, in fact, because 1) I didn't want to pay a fortune for clothing and 2) I could never figure out what would fit who! And even when I do buy premade stuff, I've had to take in pants and things rather often

One more thing to throw out you'll read the phrase "thin minis" a lot on DoA. They are talking about dolls like the Minifee which technically fall into the 1/4 category but are actually a more slender build than most average dolls in that size range. Basic "MSD" clothing won't fit them because actual Mini Super Dollfie are chunky builds - not "slim". So if you have a doll that went swimming in an MSD outfit you may want to try one made for a Minifee for a closer fit.