Further Obitsu 60cm newbie body questions...

[TheHighlander]

Please indulge me with some information as I am confused by the descriptions of some of the Obitsu 60cm body types and parts. I want to understand before I order anything.

It appears, from the descriptions and information on Parabox's English (and translated Japanese) site that the 60cm Obitsu girls share the same internal skeleton and only the elbow and knee joints are different between the ball joint and the other joint type (the one that looks like there is a knee cap in place).

With regard to the abdomen and bust though, there is some confusion. Parabox appears to say that the ball-jointed body set comes with a soft bust that allows the neck to articulate. It also appears to indicate that the standard bust pieces on the other two body types are a rigid vinyl that prevents articulation. At the same time, the soft body type doll has a soft vinyl abdomen which allows the doll's body to move through the articulation of the internal skeleton. However it is not clear whether the abdomen on the ball joint doll is also soft vinyl, or hard vinyl.

Am I getting this so far? I don't have any of these girls yet, so I have no way of knowing how they are in reality.

The reason I ask is that it seems like there is a best of both worlds with both the soft bust and soft vinyl abdomen on the ball jointed body.

If my understanding is correct, I can purchase a ball-joint body set, a large soft bust and a soft vinyl abdomen to get an Obitsu 60cm with the maximum flexibility of posing.

I know I'm sort of thinking this through as I type, so it's not really coming across as a question. I guess I simply need some guidance to tell me whether I am on the right track or way off base.

All help in unconfusing me is much appreciated.

[kiki-chan78]

To get hands-down the most posable and flexible 60cm obitsu body... get this body:







and change the boobs out to these:







the hinge-joints will allow for a greater range of movement in the arms and legs; while the squishy body will let the legs come up higher. Swapping over to the softer boobs, will let you get some use out of the neck-joint.

I think that answers your question. ^.~

Also, when buying a new 60cm obitsu, I really recommend getting an extra set of these:







<3

-Kiki-chan78.

[K2!]

It appears, from the descriptions and information on Parabox's English (and translated Japanese) site that the 60cm Obitsu girls share the same internal skeleton and only the elbow and knee joints are different between the ball joint and the other joint type.

Along with those different elbows and knees are the "bones and skins" above and below those joints. Those are also different.

With regard to the abdomen and bust though, there is some confusion. Parabox appears to say that the ball-jointed body set comes with a soft bust that allows the neck to articulate. It also appears to indicate that the standard bust pieces on the other two body types are a rigid vinyl that prevents articulation. At the same time, the soft body type doll has a soft vinyl abdomen which allows the doll's body to move through the articulation of the internal skeleton. However it is not clear whether the abdomen on the ball joint doll is also soft vinyl, or hard vinyl.

If I'm reading this right, the abdomen on the ball joint version is soft. I think the three part torso is the only one with "hard" vinyl parts. The abdomen on the doll in Kiki's picture is soft (the same one is used on the 47cm)

Am I getting this so far? I don't have any of these girls yet, so I have no way of knowing how they are in reality.

The reason I ask is that it seems like there is a best of both worlds with both the soft bust and soft vinyl abdomen on the ball jointed body.

If my understanding is correct, I can purchase a ball-joint body set, a large soft bust and a soft vinyl abdomen to get an Obitsu 60cm with the maximum flexibility of posing.

I sounds like the one you're looking for the is the one on the far right in the picture below.

I don't see this combination listed on the Parabox site at this time however you can accomplish it by doing as Kiki suggested. Buy the hinge joint model and swap out the abdomen (if you want the curvier version) and the bust (either medium or large). The curvier vinyl leg parts are specific to the ball joint knee so that's one of the compromises you make for the more flexible hinge joint knee.

I know I'm sort of thinking this through as I type, so it's not really coming across as a question. I guess I simply need some guidance to tell me whether I am on the right track or way off base.

All help in unconfusing me is much appreciated.

Yes it is a little confusing at first, but once you get a body in your hands all this nonsense starts to make some sense and you can easily swap out many of the parts to tweak that body closer to what you want.

[TheHighlander]

Thanks to kiki-chan and K2 for answering.

I think it does answer all my questions.

The only other point I have been having some doubt about was the jointing. I do like the additional flexibility of the 'knobbly knee' joint (really, what do you call that style of joint??), but the ball joint definitely looks better. Even though they offer less flexibility than the 'knobbly knees', the Obitsu sliding ball-joint mechanism appears to offer a decent amount of flexibility compared to that which a plain ball joint would.

Having looked through dozens of episodes of MADh Vinyl, I'm leaning towards the ball joints for my first Obitsu. I also read through the thread that Misheru started and took a lot of the comments there into account regarding the aesthetics of the different joints. I know that my girl will have shorter skirts and sleeveless tops in her wardrobe, and it appears that the ball joints do look better - in most instances.

Now, if Obitsu ever wants to take the peanut shaped double joint from the 50cm girls and scale them up for the 60cms, I'd leap at the chance to upgrade. I dare say a lot of owners would. Until then though....

I will more than likely end up with a second 60cm with the non-ball joints, but I think this first one will be ball jointed.

Thanks for the advice you all give, it's great to be able to ask these kinds of questions of people who already have experience with these lovely ladies.

[Greyhaunt]

For what it's worth - since I am nowhere near the "expert" that K2 and Kiki are - I started out with one of the "hinge" jointed obitsu. Mind you it was also the 3 part body (far left in K2's photo) which I would NEVER recommend to anyone as the hard vinyl of the torso and bust are majorly unaesthetic. Anyway when I started having problems with her bottom half falling off (literally, the hips on down would fall off if I didn't pick her up right) I switched to the soft body 2 part obitsu and I went with the ball-joint because I find it more aesthetically pleasing.

However, you are right - if Obitsu ever remakes the 60cm to match the 50cm those old bodies will be gone so fast you'd think I donated them to a Mythbusters experiment :LOL:

[TheHighlander]

I've been watching Obitsu dolls for a long while, I'm so glad to be finally getting one of them. I remember when they first started announcing the 50cm and my first thought was "I wonder if those joints will fit the 60....". LOL!

I wonder whether Obitsu realize that they have a following outside of Japan?

[K2!]

I wonder whether Obitsu realize that they have a following outside of Japan?

They probably know. It seems a lot of Japanese companies aren't really interested in any markets outside of Japan. I'm not sure for what reasons. Whether it's a matter of Japanese laws and regulations governing foreign trade or that fervent nationalism which the Japanese have or something else entirely...I can't say.

[zirconmermaid]

I think you will like the posablility of the ball-joint model. I love Hazel! They are very flexible, moreso than most dolls. About the only thing better is the old-style joint models and, of course, the 50cm. The 50cm dolls are amazing! Which head were you thinking of?

[TheHighlander]

I'm going to get a Gretel, one of Parabox's pre-painted sets to start with. I have a Sheba that Misheru has done a face-up on, so I will have the chance to change thingsd around from time to time.

I really like the 50cm with the megu head, but that will have to wait until I work up to the 50cm after getting my 60.

[cirquemom]

The Gretel is a beautiful doll. The face was sculpted by the famous Rainman. My very first BJD was a Gretel, and she's still my favorite.


Gretels and gossip: Diamond (K2!'s Gretel) and Prima (Cirquemom's Gretel) enjoying a little gossip at the bistro.